Where were you on July 26, 2016? We know where most of the Old Men of the Mountain were — they were at Kim’s West Winds Diner on Route 145 in Preston Hollow.  

When the OFs first traveled to Kim’s, those that came over the mountain from Rensselaerville mentioned how beautiful the view is on top of the hill on Route 359 looking towards the Catskills. Early Tuesday morning it was clear with low humidity, with patches of fog in the valley and the mountains appeared as if they were no more than a few yards away.

There is a small area there where a car can pull off and take in the vista. Tuesday morning, we spotted someone doing just that and the occupant was taking pictures.

The OFs, without prompting or pre-conversations, had part of their discussions on just that subject, alluding to the fact that much of the scenery in New York State is unequalled. The OFs mentioned boat rides down the Hudson River and taking in the sights from Athens, or Coeymans, to at least the Saugerties Lighthouse and how spectacular this trip on the river can be.

One OF reported making that trip in his boat and managing quite a sunburn as a reward for the trip sometime last week.

This led to some discussion on the river itself and its tides. One OF reported the tide being as high as four feet at Troy. Then other OFs joined in; these OFs have had time to watch the river from various points.

One OF mentioned that it takes seven days for an object to pass a point, any point, on the river. We do not know if this OF read this somewhere or sat for seven days on the bank of the river and actually calculated it.

The OF’s information was backed up by other OFs who have witnessed large objects moving back and forth on the river. One OF reported sleeping on his boat in Athens and in the morning seeing a huge tree with half the root system protruding out of the water flowing right towards his boat. He said before the tree reached the boat it stopped, and then started floating backwards as the tide came in just in time.

Still another OF reported eating at a restaurant in Kingston during the winter at lunchtime with a friend, watching ice floe (ice float) go down the river. A very large section of ice that stood out because of its size slowly moved along with the rest of the floe until it went out of view because it was out of the scope of the window.

As the OF and his friend were finishing up their lunch they looked out the window and the friend said to the OF, “Isn’t that the same chunk of ice that went down just awhile ago going back up the river?”

The OF said, “Isn’t the whole ice floe going up the river now?”

The waiter mentioned that this was the third day that floe of ice had gone by the window. Maybe the OF talking about the river taking seven days to clear a given point on the river is right. The OFs really don’t know.

Another OF mentioned that is why the Hudson River sloops worked. The river boats would use sail and tide to move produce up and down the river with ease

Then an OF mentioned that the river from Troy down to New York City is not a river; after the last glacial period, the river became an estuary (which, according to Wikipedia, is the tidal mouth of a large river, where the tide meets the stream) and this eventually becomes a fjord (a long narrow inlet with steep sides, created by glacial erosion).

It is a river from the Adirondacks to the tidal area, and then the river becomes a fjord. One OF did a painting of the glacial period and claims it is one of his favorite. It is of the Hudson when it was part of the great Albany Lake’s floor.

The great Albany Lake was formed in the proglacial period when an ice jam and its debris formed a dam below Newburgh and backed the river up almost to Lake Champlain. According to the OFs, there are reports that this phenomenon created one of the most beautiful parts of the country after it finally drained.

There! Now through the OFs you know more than you want to know — the OFs in their discussions have once again offered TMI (too much information). How much of it is true only the OFs know from their living experiences what is or what may not be so.

This scribe must add that the OFs have boats, not yachts. This scribe does not know of any OF who could afford a yacht. Traveling with the OFs in their boats requires the knowledge of how to use a bucket from which to bail out the boat from time to time.

Celebrating ice harvests

In the heat of summer, as it has been, the OFs began talking about ice houses, and how many of them remember cutting ice from a pond and storing it between sawdust, or layers of straw in ice houses on the farm to keep perishables edible throughout the summer.  Some farmers used this ice in the milk coolers to keep the milk fresh until it could be picked up and taken to the creamery.

One OF reported that, in the town of Kortright, in Delaware County, they still do this and make a day of it where people can go and participate in the ice harvest. One OF mentioned that there are other areas in New York and New England where they have such days.

“There is really lots to do,” one OF said, “other than walking around with your nose stuck to a 4-by-6- inch screen.”

“Now, now,” came an answer. “If you were 12 or 13, that is where your nose would be.”

Those OFs who took time to stash their oars, and make it to Kim’s West Wind Diner in Preston Hollow (which, by the way, has the Catskill Creek running right in back of it, but at this point of the creek it is not navigable so they would have to beach their canoes and hike) were: Miner Stevens, Harold Guest, John Rossmann, Bill Lichliter, Dave Williams, Bill Bartholomew, Pete Whitbeck, Roger Shafer, (with his son Mike Shafer, and grandson Colin Shafer), Robie Osterman, George Washburn, Marty Herzog, Don Wood, Jim Rissacher, Wayne Gaul, Mace Porter, Lou Schenck, Herb Sawotka, Joe Ketzer, Roger Fairchild, Ted Willsey, Bob Lassome, Bob Benninger, Bob Fink, Elwood Vanderbilt, Richard Vanderbilt, Jess Vadney, Mike Willsey, Gerry Chartier, and me.  



July 19, 2016: That is the date that the Old Men of the Mountain met at the Hilltown Café in Rensselaerville. It is safe to say none of the OMOTM were around in 1916, but it is getting close.

As we age, the OFs develop a syndrome that is called “memory lapses.”  This phenomenon leads to a lot of “whats,” or “are you sure”; even the “I don’t remember that.” The OFs have had this checked out and find that it is quite normal. The OFs who were worried about developing dementia, or Alzheimer’s have found that right now they have nothing to worry about.

One OF mentioned that he was told that he has so much information in his brain it now takes more time to sort it out. To which another OF said, “I didn’t know you had a brain, you blow so much information that is nothing but wind, I thought your skull was hollow.”

The first OF retorted, “I can remember a lot of stunts you pulled when you were a kid and someday I will let your wife know.”

A further OF quipped, “There are many things I don’t want to remember that keep jumping into my head, and things I do want to remember I have trouble dragging out.”

“Well,” another OF said, “as long as I remember to wake up I am happy.”

One OF said that he heard (or was told) that everything he has heard, seen, smelled, tasted, or felt is registered somewhere in his brain

“Can’t be,” a different OF said. “If that was so, at his age, his head would have exploded just from taking in all that information a long time ago.”

Backwards birthdays

There seems to be a collection of birthdays with the OFs, and almost to a man they say there are more in favor of forgetting birthdays; all that does is remind them how old they are getting, plus they have everything they need.

A couple of the OFs mentioned that, as a matter of fact, they are trying to get rid of stuff. A good idea for birthdays for OFs would be to invite all the OF’s friends and relatives for cake and ice cream and the OF could have items he wants to get rid of wrapped and, instead of people giving the OF presents, the OF will give all those who attend a present, which would be something he wants to get rid of.

One OF asked, “Could he wrap up the wife?”

Sticker shock

Another OF said that his washing machine went on the fritz and he and the bride went out to purchase a new one. Sticker shock. The OF asked the question, “When did normal household appliances start costing as much as a car?”

This OF said he told the wife she had better get used to beating the clothes on the rocks out at their pond.

Another question asked was: How do young people just starting out afford these things? Even the basic objects are expensive. These are not luxury items. People need a refrigerator; they need to wash their clothes.

The OFs remember when jeans and a sweatshirt could be had for a 10-dollar bill, now a handkerchief costs that much, and appliances that were once within reach are now out of sight.

An OF said they make these things too fancy now. The refrigerators have ice-cube makers that come out of the door, cold water that also comes out of the door, and all gadgets like that add to the cost.

How about something that just keeps things cold, or just freezes things and that’s all. Simple things with just on and off switches.

“Nowadays,” the OF said, “it is necessary to take classes on how to operate your refrigerator, or dryer, or washing machine. I have given up trying to learn how to operate a computer.  Whatever happened to simple phones?  Hey, I once could do with a Princess phone for $9.99, now a phone is three or four hundred dollars, and it costs 50 bucks a month to use it.”

“It is a good thing I am at the short end of the ruler,” was the reply. “So many people assume everyone has a computer or everyone is online.  Well, I am here to say they ain’t.”

Cop talk

The OFs talked about the situation with police being attacked and ambushed. Some blamed (if blame can be placed) the media keeping the cops’ behavior in the forefront — and the OF hoped unknowingly — siding with the shooters by showing over and over the incidents of the action of the police without fully knowing what precipitated these actions.

People seemed to forget the lives saved by law enforcement whether black, white, yellow, brown, or red. One OF said there are bad cops, like bad priests or bad politicians; there are bad people in every walk of life.  Thank goodness there are not many. The rest are good guys.

One OF said that cops deal with the dregs of society day in and day out. As soon as they get dressed in the morning to go to work, they are on edge not knowing what is going to happen or when they may have to lay down their life to protect someone else. This OF could definitely not be a cop.
Those Old Men of the Mountain who remembered to meet at the Hilltown Café in Rensselaerville were: Robie Osterman, John Rossmann, Harold Guest, Bill Lichliter, Pete Whitbeck, George Washburn, Art Frament, Herb Sawotka, Bob Benac, Roger Fairchild, Joe Ketzer, Karl Remmers, Bob Snyder, Roger Chapman, Minor Stevens, Dave Williams, Bill Bartholomew, Jim Rissacher, Marty Herzog, Lou Schenck, Mace Porter, Gerry Irwin, Jack Norray, Wayne Gaul, Bob Lassome, Rich Donnelly, Ted Willsey, Warren Willsey, Mike Willsey, Elwood Vanderbilt, Richard Vanderbilt, Gerry Chartier, and me.


— Photo from John R. Williams

Working for fun: Old men re-roof a lean-to on Rossman hill and wonder why the young me aren’t helping. Among the crew members are Harold Guest, at left, and Steve Babbitt, working on the peak.

On the morning of Tuesday, July 12, (a nice day for a ride) the Old Men of the Mountain drove to the Home Front Café in Altamont.  Many deals and major decisions have been done over a meal, and so it is with the OMOTM.  Many deals and decisions were made at the Home Front Café Tuesday morning and more wheeling and dealing will done at the next restaurant on the list, and the one after that.

Some of the OFs are at it again.  This time the hikers volunteered to repair a roof, which was in dire need of repair, of a lean-to on the hiking trail on Rossman hill. (No connection with the OFs’ John Rossmann whose name appears regularly at the end of the OMOTM report.)

According to the OFs who worked on this project, the roof was so bad it had to be completely removed to nothing but the supporting timbers holding it up, so everything had to come off.  The board and shakes had been held on with old 3-inch nails.

The closest the OFs could get the material to the lean-to was about half a mile, then the material had to be hauled by hand the rest of the way, and, of course, it was uphill. Why is that when the OFs look around it is only OFs doing this type of work? Where are the young backs when they are needed?

One OF thought it is because the OFs hang around with OFs, and the YFs associate with YFs. This OF thought there are plenty of YFs doing volunteer work only they are just not in our circle, or traveling on our humanity wave. They seem to be at the crest of the wave, while we are in the trough.

Then another OF thought that they are in the workforce and need break time; however, to us retired OFs, every day is break time and this is fun. “For you maybe, but my back and knees don’t tell me this is fun,” was the retort from a second OF. “My fun is laying in the sun, or shade, whatever the case may be,” he grumbled.

The arrogance of public servants

The OFs discussed an age-old lament that does not only pertain to the OFs, but to all ages and sexes. This is the apparent arrogance of a few of the people who are public servants. One OF said they seem to forget who is their boss.

The consensus among the group seemed to be that we pay them and they forget they are supposed to be working for us. One OF said, “Really, it is a very small percentage of workers that bring this negative feeling on the rest.”

A second OF said that many don’t follow their own rules. Another said that it isn’t the rules, but this OF thought it is specific personalities of some who carry out the rules. The OFs thought many of these people don’t understand the rules of logic, or common sense.

One OF mentioned the Department of Motor Vehicles where the rules are the same but one person is pleasant and will work with you if there is a problem, while another will bite you head off as soon as you approach the window.

Another OF said he must get one of those people every time he goes there, because, before he puts the paperwork down, the clerk bellows, “You haven’t got the right paper work.” Then the clerk grabs another handful of nails so she can spit out the rust.

From substance to nonsense

One OF admitted that he has problems with rules himself. The OF said that he will go down one path and kept going deeper into the woods until he can’t see the end. Then the OF said common sense finally kicks in telling him he never should have started down that path in the first place.

“Man, we have all done this,” commented another OF.

The OFs followed this up somewhat by talking about college with some of the courses offered by some colleges being so obscure they were wondering what in the world are these subjects preparing the kids for. One OF offered that college does prepare you in some cases for your life’s work but in many cases all college does is prepare whoever to think for themselves and to reason things out.

An OF added that he thinks we are getting too many thinkers, and not enough doers, that is what he thinks.

“There you go thinking again, you fit right in the category of  thinkers,” was the observation.

“Well, aren’t we all thinkers?” asked the OF. “I think I need a new pair of shoes, I think I will go to bed now, I think I will go fishing tomorrow, I think I will chuck this wife for a new one.”

This OF maintains we are thinking all the time. (Boy, how subjects change from substance to nonsense in just a couple of sentences).  What it was like when the OFs were in school and what school is like today is like comparing apples with sawgrass — no connection between either one of them.

Those OFs smart enough to make it to the Home Front Café in Altamont and realize the restaurant was the light at the end of the path were: George Washburn, Robie Osterman, Roger Chapman, Dave Williams, Bill Bartholomew, Bill Lichliter, Pete Whitbeck, John Rossmann, Harold Guest, Herb Sawotka, Joe Ketzer, Bob Benac, Roger Fairchild, Mark Traver, Otis Lawyer, Chuck Aelesio, Glenn Patterson, Lou Schenck, Wayne Gaul, Mace Porter, Jack Norray, Gerry Irwin, Jim Rissacher, Ted Willsey, Rich Donnelly, Joe Loubier, Henry Whipple, Marty Herzog, Richard Vanderbilt, Mike Willsey, Gerry Chartier, Harold Grippen, and me.


— Photo from John R. Williams

Mike Willsey recently celebrated his 90th birthday, making him the oldest member of the Old Men of the Mountain. His niece Connie (nee Wolford) Hoffman shares a smile with him and also a heritage — Mike Willsey’s wife is a Wolford.

The day after the Fourth of July, the Old Men of the Mountain met at the Chuck Wagon Diner in Princetown.

The Chuck Wagon is the furthest point some of the OMOTM travel to a restaurant, while West Winds in Preston Hollow is the furthest in the other direction. There is a lot of geography in between.

Mountains, valleys, and streams on the rides both ways have the OFs encountering much of the wildlife this area has to offer. Tuesday morning, the OFs were talking about all the critters running about on their way to the Chuck Wagon; it was like going to the zoo early in the morning when most of the animals are frisky.

One OF commented there are so many of them splattered all over the roads that the crows are having a field day; even a couple of turkey buzzards were spotted.

An OF pondered what it must be like to be a rabbit getting ready to dart across the field from one brush pile to another. The rabbit not only must scour the field for cats, coyotes, foxes, dogs, and even good-sized snakes, but he must scan the skies for eagles, or hawks, all just waiting for the rabbit to make his dash across the field hoping he doesn’t become some other critter’s dinner. Then the rabbit must watch for the most dangerous of all, the occasional rabbit hunter.  

Albert Einstein’s theory really comes into play here, “Things are what they are, only in relation to where they are.”

The rabbit in the woods could easily be the rabbit in a cage in little Suzie’s bedroom with a bow around its neck and perfume in its fur; the rabbit with the bow could easily be the rabbit in the woods; it just happens to be who is where.

A left-handed duck

This next conversation was not part of the trips to the restaurants and the wildlife encounters, and road kill, but it fit well with the comments on wildlife and it has to do with a left-handed duck.

One OF asked an innocuous question while a brief conversation on turkeys, birds, and ducks was in progress. “Did you ever see a left-handed duck?” the OF asked.

Well, no one had, and the main comment was, “I never looked or even cared if a duck was left-handed or not.”

The OF then proceeded to tell how he once saw a left-handed duck. It seems that on a large industrial pond some of the workers brought a few domesticated ducks and put them on the pond. These ducks attracted other wild ducks until eventually there were quite of few ducks on the pond because the workers fed them.

One day, the plant manager said to the OF, “Do you want to see a left-handed duck?” to which the OF replied, “Sure.”

The plant manager took a loaf of bread and spread it on the ground by the pond.  Almost all the ducks came out to get the bread. When they left the water, the ducks would spread their wings and shake a bit and then fold their wings back over their backs.

All the ducks would place their right wing over first and cover it up with their left wing except one duck. This duck put his left wing in first and covered it up with his right. Different than all the rest — ergo, the left-handed duck.

Too soon old,

Too late smart

Now to the OMOTM’s standard fare.  OFs and YFs, with some real-time jumping all in one sentence, and complete paragraphs. A good deal of this will be paraphrased.

The OFs discussed life changes that have been brought about just by living, and life will continue to change even as the OFs get older. Many of these changes the OFs have discussed off and on almost since the group started, but this conversation lumped most of them together.

When the YFs worked on the farm (maybe not even a farm, but just worked outdoors) they, at that time, were hatless and shirtless, did not wear sunglasses, or ear protection, or even sunblock. As a matter of fact, some used baby oil just to get a tan. Many of the OFs are paying for it now.

One OF mentioned how his dad was covered from head to toe out in the field. The OF asked him one day why he covered up like that and wasn’t he hot?  His father said he didn’t know why he wore so much clothing, but, since his own father did the same thing, he did it too.

We OFs were too brash and young to tie in any connection between sunburns and cancers. One OF said it might be there weren’t many skin cancers back in the day because people covered up.

Darn! We are too soon old, too late smart.

Another OG mentioned some of these skin-care products were not even invented yet and in our rebellious years we probably wouldn’t have used the protection anyway.

Well, the OFs are paying for it now with trips to the dermatologist to have all these basal cells, and minor skin cancers cut off, or dug out, or frozen. Hearing aids, glasses, and false teeth — much of which, if the OFs knew then what the OFs know now, the OFs wouldn’t need.

“Back then,” one OF said, “We would see, in the National Geographic, pictures of Mexicans in their large sombreros, and covered like our fathers from head to toe, or even American cowboys in the Midwest and Southwest with their large 10-gallon hats, bandanas, and covered from head to toe and the OFs never questioned why they were dressed like that.”

The OFs here missed the hint.

An OF said we never had periods of extended heat like the cowboys and the Mexicans had to deal with. We would get a day or two at a time, so why would we even bother — even today we are not subject to all that oppressive heat.

Then another OF said, “It is not the heat, it is the sun, dummy.”

Still a further OF chimed in that, when he goes to the lake and sees his grandkids swimming, he yells at his granddaughters to cover up. Their bathing suits are only four pieces of string.

“You old prude,” an OF said. “Remember when after haying we would go to Fox Creek and skinny dip?  Four strings is a lot compared to that!”

All the OFs who made it to the Chuck Wagon Diner in Princetown and showed up ready to go skinny dipping because none of them brought bathing suits were: (Oh no!  What a sight that would be, count this OF out) Bill Lichliter, George Washburn, Robie Osterman, Roger Shafer, Jim Rissacher, Marty Herzog, John Rossmann, Harold Guest, Glenn Patterson, Chuck Aelesio, Art Frament, Bob Benac, Herb Sawotka, Joe Ketzer, Mace Porter, Wayne Gaul, Jack Norray, Gerry Irwin, Ted Willsey, Bob Lassome, Rich Donnelly (along with his son also named Rich Donnelly), Bob Benninger, Bob Fink, Mike Willsey, Gerry Chartier, Elwood Vanderbilt, Richard Vanderbilt, Harold Grippen, and me.


For some reason, Tuesdays are always busy. The OFs think it is because Mondays are such a drag it takes Tuesday to get in gear.

Tuesday, June 28, was no different. The troop of Old Men of the Mountain converged on the Duanesburg Diner in Duanesburg and (except for the counter and one booth) filled the place up. That is the way most restaurants like it — keep the place filled; also keep the customers filled and happy, then the place will be in business the next day and the day after that.

Some of the OFs traveled to the birthday celebration of an OF who is now our oldest member. Mike Willsey made it to 90, and puts many of those younger to shame.

Mike and a few others joined the three OFs who started this breakfast club many years ago.  It was so long ago that Mike was a YOF, and he has proceeded through the ranks to now become the senior OF.

What many of the OFs have seen and experienced through the aging process (i.e., since they were able to understand what was going on socially, politically, medically, and technologically) is mind boggling.

One of the “way back when” stories that was discussed on June 28 was — you guessed it — vehicles. Back when the OFs were YFs driving down the road and approaching a hill with a truck in front of them, they would try their best to get around the truck because it would slow down to a crawl going up the hill.

Today, the OFs say, they can be on Route 20 going west out of Sloansville and traveling at 55 miles per hour, and see a huge truck going up the hill that will eventually pass them. Things have changed, and the truck driver is not rowing his way up the hill by shifting; he is probably driving on cruise, along with an automatic transmission.

The same thing happens on the New York State Thruway heading west, going up hills, especially the hills by Little Falls. Now the Tesla cars have a warning sticker to tell the driver not to sleep while driving in their cars that drive themselves.

We have even left some of our debris on the moon and Mars, and a probe that has left our universe and is still working. It doesn’t seem that long ago that the OFs like Mike were pulling on the reins and hollering “Whoa!”

The OFs mentioned flying. Back when the OFs were YFs, it was an adventure, planned for weeks, and enough of an experience to be talked about for a year. Today, the OFs hop on a plane like they were on a bus, cuss about the TSA, and the trip is so routine that what happened at the TSA (when the OFs arrives at his destination) is the point of conversation.  The means of travel is coincidental.

Marveling at a long life

Also there was talk about how long some of the OFs have been retired. Many of the OFs have been retired quite some time.

We did not compute an average but the numbers of years is surprising when the OFs started saying them out loud.  Twenty years, 25 years, even 30 years and more — some of the OFs did not expect to reach the age they are now.

One OF said he expected to be shot by a jealous husband.

“Not me,” another OF said. “The demise would be the same, but the assailant would be a ticked-off wife.”

One more OF questioned, “How did we escape all this and make it this far?  It has to be the medications for me because it sure wasn’t my particularly clean living. My early life was not for Ivory soap; it was a Fels-Naptha kind of life.”

Vanishing junkyards

The OFs hang on to many items for long periods of time. However, to keep these old things working, the garages and parts stores no longer carry the parts required to do that.

To many OFs, the junkyard is the parts store of choice because they are the only places that will probably have an old part. These junkyards are also vanishing as a parts store because now they crush the cars or whatever useless items they take in, and then the old items are gone.

What things the OFs are trying to repair are just old, but they are not yet antiques. One OF mentioned (and we have used this before but redundancy fits here) we are of a generation where items had to last; money had a different value because there was less of it.

Today if something breaks, just take it to the dump — oops, transfer station — and go buy another one. The OFs have trouble accepting this attitude.

Some junkyards look like junkyards and the junkyard dog lurks just around the next rusty hulk of an old vehicle or refrigerator. Then again, some junkyards are like shopping at Macy’s. Items are stashed in order and parts that are generally sought after are removed, labeled, and stored.

One OF said that going to a “junkyard/junkyard,” fending off the dog, locating the vehicle that he is looking for and spending half a day removing the part, is like finding gold — that is the fun of it.

But then one more OF said, “After the OF has done all the work, the junk dealer thinks it is gold and charges an arm and a leg for a part that may only have short time of use left in it before it too breaks.”

Son of gun, it looks like planet Earth has already established a portion of its worldly culture on the moon and Mars — the junkyard. Anybody need a part for a Lunar Rover?

Those OFs who made it to the Duanesburg Diner, in Duanesburg (including one birthday OF at 90 years old and nowhere near ready for the junkyard) were: Pete Whitbeck, Roger Chapman, Miner Stevens, Robie Osterman, George Washburn, Jim Rissacher, Marty Herzog, Bill Bartholomew, Dave Williams, Chuck Aelesio, Glenn Patterson, Otis Lawyer, John Rossmann, Harold Guest, Art Frament, Herb Sawotka, Bill Lichliter, Lou Schenck, Wayne Gaul, Mace Porter, Jack Norray, Gerry Irwin, Bob Fink, Bob Benninger, Ted Willsey, Bob Lassome, Rich Donnelly, Joe Loubier, Richard Vanderbilt, Elwood Vanderbilt, Gerry Chartier, Mike Willsey, Harold Grippen, and me.


On the June 21, the Old Men of the Mountain met at the Your Way Café in Schoharie and the whole group of OMOTM eventually filtered in.

This sounds like it is bad thing but it is not because the way the OFs show up in dribs and dabs gives the kitchen help and the waitress time to serve all the old goats without too much pressure. It is a good thing the OFs do not have to wait on each other at these breakfasts or there would be so much bellyaching it would soon wind up in a food fight.

At one end of the table, the conversation was so topical that it was ahead of its time. The OFs were talking about the history of Remington Arms in Ilion, New York. Then in the Albany Times Union isn’t there an article about the history of Remington Arms. Remington Arms is America’s oldest factory that still makes its original product — guns — and in the same place.

This was brought up because of a brief discussion on guns and gun control, along with many American products being copied and reproduced by foreign competitors then sold at lower prices.

In the gun-control section, this scribe reflected that he would not be able to purchase a gun because of his name. This scribe cannot order a plane ticket online, nor can he send money to his kids by wire.  The name is a name commonly used by those on the terrorist watch list therefore, though this scribe has argued with many and has in some cases gone to the top person in charge of such rules, it is useless.  This scribe can’t do many ordinary things because of his (common) name.

Politician’s lie

This brought up politicians, not politics. Many OFs think politicians start off with a lie. They say, and this scribe thinks this has been brought up before, “the American People” want this or that, or this or that should be done. That is not true.

According to the OFs, this should be paraphrased with many, some, more, or a few. The American People is all inclusive and in most cases that is not possible.

Walls walks on

Some have asked if the son of the OF who is doing the walk has a blog, or is on Facebook. This scribe checked with the walker’s dad and yes he does.

The blog is “The great and mighty nobody” and he is on Facebook with his name, “Thomas Walls.” It might be fun to keep up with his adventures.

Bucket list

Another OF is leaving in a short while to go out West and complete his tour on our National Parks. His trip points out that, anyone who has a bucket list should make plans to get ’er done before he becomes too old to get ’er done.

Some of the OFs wished they had done some adventurous things years ago, but now the OFs have lost the ability to walk very far, and some have a different kind of list, such as a list of doctors’ appointments. With this list the OF finds it is hard to work any time in to go too far away from where the OF is planted now.

Greatest generation is caught in the middle

One OF mentioned that, when we were young, there was not much guidance in saving, and planning for trips or taking cruises, and retirement for that matter was rarely discussed. Another OF said it wasn’t necessary when we were young because the means of travel wasn’t there.

As for retirement, we were expected to take over the farm; that was our parents’ retirement. After we took over the farm, then we would take care of the parents. The next generation would do the same thing for us.

One OF added, then along came World War II and everything changed. The greatest generation is caught in the middle.


The OFs talked about some of the big rigs they have seen not stuck, but hung up.

One group of OFs headed home after the breakfast when they came upon a tractor trailer completely across Cotton Hill. The truck was hung up on the crown of the road, drive wheels off the ground, trailer wheels off the ground, and there it was trapped in the middle of nowhere.

The rig was right on top of the hill just where the hill starts going down into West Berne. The OFs had to turn around and take Treadlemire Road, a dirt road for the most part that was not fit for man nor beast, let alone a car, into Gallupville.

It was the wife’s car to boot because the OF’s car was in the garage.

Hikers’ helpers

Some of the OFs are at it again.  This time they re-roofed a lean-to on a hiking trail. These lean-tos are patterned after the lean-tos that can be seen if you have been to the Adirondack exhibit at the State Museum in Albany, only this particular lean-to is larger.

The volunteer spirit is in most everybody and much of it goes unknown only to those who unselfishly give of their time, money, and talents.     

Those OFs who still haven’t figured out retirement but made it to the Your Way Café in Schoharie anyway were: Miner Stevens, Henry Witt, George Washburn, Bill Lichliter, Bill Bartholomew, Pete Whitbeck, John Rossmann, Harold Guest, Dave Williams, Bill Williams, Mark Traver, Glenn Patterson, Chuck Aelesio, Otis Lawyer, Don Wood, Art Frament, Herb Sawotka, Lou Schenck, Gerry Irwin, Mace Porter, Jim Rissacher, Bob Fink, Bob Benninger, Bob Lassome, Joe Loubier, Ted Willsey, Rich Donnelly, Duncan Bellinger, Elwood Vanderbilt, Jess Vadney, Harold Grippen, and me.